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Nurse's Career: A Job In High Demand
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What’s it really like to work as a nurse? In this episode, Mirav chats with Jessica Wilson, a seasoned nurse with 20 years of experience under her scrubs. From birthing centers to the ICU, Jessica has seen it all—and she’s here to give us the real career insight into this high-stakes, high-reward job.
Nursing isn’t just about bedside manner—it’s about applying medical knowledge in the moment, making tough calls, and being the calm in the chaos. Jessica opens up about what it takes to thrive in this demanding job, how she built flexibility and solid pay into her work life, and the emotional ups and downs that come with helping people at their most vulnerable.
Thinking about a career change into the medical field? Or just curious about what life is like behind those hospital curtains? This episode offers a candid look into the world of nursing, packed with job tips and career wisdom from someone who's been there. Tune in—you might just find your next move.
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Nursing is an applied science, so you're also using your intellect all the time. You're using critical thinking skills, you're using the science that you've learned, and you're applying it to this particular situation.
Mirav Ozeri - HostHi, I'm Barra Fozeri, a curious journalist with a passion to know what people do for a living and how much they make. So I set out to find out. Today we have another episode about the miracle of birth. And by the way, if you haven't already, please check out my previous conversations with a midwife and edula published on March 4th and 11th. Lots of great info there. Today's guest is Jessica Wilson, a nurse with years of experience both in the delivery room and emergency room. So let's find out what it's really like to be a nurse. So, Jessica, first of all, thanks a lot for doing it.
SPEAKER_01Oh, you're welcome. It's a pleasure.
Mirav Ozeri - HostStart by telling me what made you become a nurse to begin with.
SPEAKER_01So, what actually inspired me was seeing my mother deliver her son. I was seven years old and she had a home birth. And I just remember seeing that process and just being in awe and you know being able to see in the comfort of our own home this my little brother being born. And weren't you in shock at seven years old? No, no, because somehow my mom made it just it was a natural process. So before she even delivered, you know, of course I was seeing her as her belly grew. Also, she showed me pictures of births. They were it was more artistic pictures. She had said that she wanted to prepare me just in case for some reason I was the only one there when she gave birth. So anyway, I I had a chance to see that delivery and it just brought so much wonder early in my life. So then I thought, well, maybe I would want to be a midwife. At that age? Yeah, it's it developed in that into that. Okay. So I thought, well, maybe I'll try through nursing, right? So as as time progressed, I ended up going to nursing school.
Mirav Ozeri - HostHow many years did you have to study?
SPEAKER_01It took me three years. There's many different approaches to studying for nursing. I went right into uh an RN program through my community college.
Mirav Ozeri - HostWhat is RN program?
SPEAKER_01It's a registered nurse. Okay. And you have to sit for boards after you've taken the courses. It used to be that hospitals had nursing programs, and then that started to get phased out, and colleges started taking over nursing programs.
Mirav Ozeri - HostOkay.
SPEAKER_01So this community college offered a program, it was local. It was very easy for me to get there. So I decided to do the associate's degree RN program. There are also bachelor degree programs that one can do. The advantage for me was that I was able to get it done quickly and then get right into the hands-on nursing.
Mirav Ozeri - HostAnd you started as a regular nurse?
SPEAKER_01As a as a registered nurse, yep. I st I started after I um completed my exam.
Mirav Ozeri - HostIn the hospital?
SPEAKER_01In a hospital, yep. So I went for an interview. I actually went to a hospital that was run by nuns. And uh so I actually had to have an interview with one of the nuns. And I applied for three different positions. One was maternity, the other was a cardiac floor that specialized in cardiac, and then the other was medical surgical. And in that time, it was very common for people to have to go through med medical surgical nursing first to kind of get your feet wet and get accustomed to nursing. It gave you a broad spectrum of of different kinds of nursing. You got a lot of experience back in the day. That was the approach you go to med surge first and then you go to your specialty.
Mirav Ozeri - HostOkay. And now, I from what I understand, you practice as an ICU nurse and a delivery nurse.
SPEAKER_01Correct.
Mirav Ozeri - HostThere's no contradiction between the two or scheduling problem.
SPEAKER_01Well, thankfully, the hospitals where I have worked, they have been willing to share me. So I would work um one day a week on maternity and two days a week in the ICU.
Mirav Ozeri - HostWhich is your favorite?
SPEAKER_01I love them both.
Mirav Ozeri - HostReally?
SPEAKER_01I can't I can't figure out exactly which one I prefer more. So yeah. So I have done that for um a number of years. Um, most recently, though, I am working full-time on maternity, and on occasion they will float me into the ICU.
Mirav Ozeri - HostBut in ICU you run into a lot of problems, people may be dying. Yes. But the delivery is like a whole new world, right? Right. Yeah, so I get the beauty of both. What is your function in the delivery room, let's say, as a nurse? What do you have to do?
SPEAKER_01I uh admit a patient, uh, I assess them, I'm check that the patient is doing well, and I also evaluate how the baby is doing. So there's different ways that we monitor babies and make sure that their fetal heart is stable. Labor and delivery is a fluid process and can be unpredictable sometimes as far as how women respond to labor. And you may not know when a woman comes in, she may think that she's gonna have her baby eminently, and so you're moving quickly, or um, or she may not be uh having her baby eminently, and you have some time. So it really kind of depends on the woman when she comes to the birth center and and how things are going that way. So, but we do we we settle them into the room, we orient them to that space, we place them on a monitor so we can make sure that the baby is doing well, we listen to the fetal heart tones, we look for movement, make sure that the baby looks healthy, and we want to make sure mom is tolerating labor as well. And then once I have them settled into the room, then I prepare them for the labor process so I might help them with position changing, comfort, all of those things that will bring comfort during the labor process.
Mirav Ozeri - HostDo you work together with midwives and doulas? Yeah, and the doctors, obviously.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so every uh birthing center is a little different in how they operate, but how ours operates is we have a one OB provider on, and then midwives underneath that OB provider, and then um we do have DULAs and we have the nurses.
Mirav Ozeri - HostOkay, and what do you do in the ICU as a nurse?
SPEAKER_01In those scenarios, it I work as a medical surgical ICU nurse.
Mirav Ozeri - HostWhat does that mean?
SPEAKER_01So I see patients that may have like severe gastrointestinal um issues that um have gotten infected, or maybe someone that had a stroke, or a lot of times we have patients that have um become septic, meaning it like they have an overwhelming infection. We see patients that have had respiratory problems and end up needing to be put on a ventilator. So I've seen a variety of different kinds of patients. I get to see a little bit of everything because I'm in a smaller hospital. Patients that become very critical and maybe we don't have all the services available at the community hospital where I work, we may transfer them out to a higher level of care.
Mirav Ozeri - HostI want to talk about the money because the show is called How Much Can I Make.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay.
Mirav Ozeri - HostYeah. So how much can a beginning nurse make in ICU? Is it the same pay by the way, for ICU or for uh delivery?
SPEAKER_01Really, it depends on where you work in the country and where you work in um New York. So the farther north you go, the less pay you get. The farther south you are, and the closer you are to the city, the more pay you get. Also, if you decide to become a traveling nurse where you are not uh working for a hospital, you do get paid more for that. Some people will take on a traveling uh position and they can get paid up to $90 an hour. Plus, they will have their insurance covered and they get paid for housing because they may be traveling to a different part of the country.
Mirav Ozeri - HostAnd how much a regular nice nurse in the hospital can?
SPEAKER_01So I make uh about $59 an hour. Um people farther north, like in the Albany area, they only make about at the most $30 an hour. So that's a big difference. Yeah, there's a lot of variability. And it also depends on your degree. So an LPN who is a licensed practical nurse and has only about 18 months of training will get paid less, whereas an RN they'll get paid more. Um, if you continue with your schooling and you get a master's degree and become a nurse practitioner or a nurse educator, you can get paid more.
Mirav Ozeri - HostLike how much more do you think?
SPEAKER_01I know that like nurse practitioners they can make up to you know six between 60 to $90 an hour, depending on where they are.
Mirav Ozeri - HostAnd they get all the health insurance and all the benefits, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, depending on what group they work with. For example, a nurse practitioner who works with a a physician out of an office, you know, she might get paid something a little less. Right now, nurse anesthetists, they're the ones that work with anesthesiologists, they tend to get paid the most.
Mirav Ozeri - HostReally?
SPEAKER_01They get paid very, very well. So uh I actually, when I was in ICU, I had nurses who had graduated from their program, went directly into ICU because they needed ICU experience, and then were preparing to take courses that let led to nurse anesthetists program.
Mirav Ozeri - HostWhy did she need ICU experience?
SPEAKER_01A lot of the medications that are used in the ICU setting are may also need to be used in anesthesia. Interesting. And you need to be aware of the physiology. There's a lot of science behind making sure that the patients are safe.
Mirav Ozeri - HostDo you have a lot of opportunities for overtime?
SPEAKER_01Oh my goodness, yes. Right now there's uh a nursing shortage, and so I heard that for 20 years. Well, that's what they say, and so the when I had first started though, um, it was harder to get in two hospitals. Nowadays, many nurses can go right into the specialty that they would like. So when you go to nursing school, you get a kind of an overview of nursing, you get a taste, a little taste of everything, and then you take an exam that goes over all of those facets of nursing. And then while you're in nursing school, you begin to see, oh, what kind of nursing do I like? Do I like psych nursing? Do I like OB? Do I like ICU? Do I like med surge? And also don't forget elder care, that's very popular right now. And also, um, as the baby boomer generation is coming, uh, there will be a lot more elder care. So there's plenty of nurses who are also involved in nursing home settings and assisted living living settings, that kind of thing.
Mirav Ozeri - HostSo when you get the overtime, you get time and a half or double time?
SPEAKER_01It varies depending on what they need. So overtime I can get time and a half, but if they're desperate for someone to come to the ICU and no one is available, we will pay you double time and it's wonderful. And then also on certain holidays, depending on where you work, they will also give you time and a half. So for New Year's, uh, I worked and I got paid time and a half.
Mirav Ozeri - HostCool.
SPEAKER_01And then you also get a differential if you work night shift.
Mirav Ozeri - HostThat's what I was gonna ask you. The shift.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so you know, night shift in general is not the most popular shift, though I have to tell you, it is the it is much more calm. You have wonderful team players. I loved working the night shift when I was working the night shift, it's just hard for the rest of your life. But where I work, you get a five-dollar differential, so you get paid five dollars more on per hour. Uh yeah, per hour. And then also, uh, depending on certification, so people can be certified in a specialty, and so you get paid more if you have certain certifications. So I'm a critical care RN. I have am certified in critical care. I have to maintain that certification and renew every three years and continue, do continuing education, and but with that I get uh paid a differential.
Mirav Ozeri - HostDid you ever want to do a traveling nurses?
SPEAKER_01I had considered that, but I decided not to just because of uh my living situation. Right. That's the other beauty of nursing, is it really can fit into your life. Your schedule tends to be a little more flexible. You can do eight-hour shifts, you can do 12-hour shifts. So for me, I do three 12-hour shifts a week, and then I have my four days off to do the things that I need to do outside. Wow, yeah, that's fantastic. Fabulous. Those three days are intense. Sometimes it takes me a little bit to recover. But uh, yeah.
Mirav Ozeri - HostWhat is the most challenging part in the ICU and the challenging part in Obi?
SPEAKER_01I think for me personally, it's hard to see people suffer. And in both situations, I can see people suffer, right? So I see people suffering from illness and sickness and struggling with their life in the ICU setting, and I'm doing all that I can to help them get through that. And then in labor and delivery, a mama is working very hard and going through some suffering as she's trying to deliver her baby, and you're trying to give them tools to help them walk through that. In both situations, you're seeking uh life and hope for the individual, and you're using the tools that you have to help them.
Mirav Ozeri - HostDo you have any kind of uh memorable story from either ICU or OB that really made you feel so happy?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I mean I have many stories because I've been doing this for years, but I do remember one in particular that was very special. There was an 18-year-old boy who um had overdosed. He had broken up with his girlfriend, overdosed on drugs, and thankfully his parents found him in time and uh were able to bring him to the hospital. But in in the overdose, he vomited and aspirated all that vomit into his lungs, and he had something called Arb's adult respiratory distress syndrome, uh, where all that got into his lungs and it there was a big infection. And he's a young boy, he's 18, and he looked like he was dying. For many, many weeks we weren't sure how he was gonna do. He ended up being on a ventilator, and we were treating that, and then over time uh he did heal, and we were able to get him off the ventilator. And while he was on the ventilator, we had him sedated so he wouldn't be uncomfortable. And over time we were able to wean him off all the different medications that he was on to help keep him alive, and we were able to get him off the ventilator and he healed and he did well, and we just were just so pleased to see him succeed and uh regain strength because we weren't sure if he was gonna make it. And then fast forward about a year later, he was so grateful for the life second chance that he got. I came and he worked at the hospital as an aide for a little while. He's still alive, he's still doing well. Um, I no drugs? Is he all drugs? And his um his mom uh on every now and again I see her, she also is a nurse, touch base with her, ask how he's doing, and that was always just a real sweet blessing to see someone be able to get through and have a victory in their life. We gave them another chance.
Mirav Ozeri - HostTotally second chance for sure. Do you have a story from the uh delivery room that you can think of?
SPEAKER_01I wouldn't want to scare anyone, but um, but sometimes you know there can be situations where uh babies come out and they've been stressed during the labor. Yeah, and so uh you have to uh resuscitate them.
Mirav Ozeri - HostDid it happen?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we've had I've had that, yeah, where I've had to resuscitate a baby. The thing that's so beautiful is babies are very resilient, they want to live. They really want to live.
Mirav Ozeri - HostAnd so you But is there long-lasting ramification? For some, yes.
SPEAKER_01Uh there can be, depending on how stressful the labor process was. Generally speaking, we have had patients that have are resilient and are fine, you know. So there are times where people can have uh situations where the baby struggles and you know there are can be long-term ram ramifications. And that's the part that's always hard on maternity because it is there are more lawsuits. Lawsuits more lawsuits when you're working on matern in maternity. Um, not that I I've had anything, but how can they blame the hospital? If their baby uh did not turn out the way they thought, and the child has any kind of like cerebral palsy or anything like that, they can seek to blame the people who were part of that delivery process.
Mirav Ozeri - HostWow.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
Mirav Ozeri - HostThat seems unfair to me. So how long does it take you to wind down? Like you come from this 18-year-old overdosing, you have to take care of him.
SPEAKER_01Sometimes it can take days, especially when you have a trauma uh that you've experienced. I've seen some very traumatic things, and I won't go into all the details, but sometimes it takes days to process because I look deeply at the meaning of life, and and I think each person is unique and special, and when people struggle, it's hard for me to see them struggle. So I struggle with them, and so sometimes it does take me a little while to process and look at at the value of that person. Each person has a unique gift to give. Not only am I giving to that to that individual, but often they're giving to me. There's something special that they're giving to me and they're in their process as well. The the beauty is I get to journey with them. I I mean I can give you an example the other day I was floated to the emergency room and I was taking care of uh patients in the emergency room. If you are an adrenaline junkie and you really like to get some highs, work in the ER, work in trauma. It is uh invigorating. You get a huge high and you are go, go, go, go, going, and you have to use your thinking skills quickly. There's no like time for pausing, you just go and do, and it just, you know, you extend yourself always. And so it took me probably like three hours to just come down from doing a 12-hour shift, just because my brain was racing after I came home, what all the different things that I had experienced. And I had done a 12-hour shift, so it was like 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock at night. By the time I finally felt like I could just kind of settle my brain and rest.
Mirav Ozeri - HostWow.
SPEAKER_01So, you know, so there can be that. And generally speaking, whenever there's an emergency, whether it's a baby that is coding, whether it's you coding? What does that mean? That means that they are in uh uh either like respiratory distress or cardiac uh distress, and you have to resuscitate them and bring them back. You gotta move fast. You follow an algorithm, you fit into this algorithm and you you take care of them and you follow that procedure, and oftentimes it works.
Mirav Ozeri - HostDid you learn in school how to resuscitate a baby?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. You take a I took a neonatal resuscitation class, and we have to renew that every two years. Uh, we keep up our skills so that we're always ready if a baby needs to be resuscitated.
Mirav Ozeri - HostDo you have any kind of a psychologist or psychiatrist for support system for the nurses?
SPEAKER_01There are um uh programs out there uh for nurses who have caregiver fatigue. I haven't utilized that because I have a huge support system here with my family. My husband is a tremendous support. Nurses need to have good friends, good family to support them through the struggles. They need to be able to tell their stories. And nurses also often will find that their family doesn't understand their stories, so then they they get together and share their stories amongst themselves. Because we again we see a lot of things that are can be tragic and difficult. I can tell you where I work, there is a wonderful chaplain that comes around and is available, especially after a tragic event, and they they do something called code lavender, where after an event Like somebody dies or something, someone dies, uh yeah, uh or there are or just the circumstances surrounding that particular patient and and the care involved. So they have a social worker and a chaplain, and they take time for a debriefing, kind of talk through the situation and work through through the struggle.
Mirav Ozeri - HostNow you work closely with all kinds of sickness. How do you protect yourself?
SPEAKER_01I think I must have a strong immune system because I've been exposed to a lot. But obviously, the standard of care for all all patient care is good hand washing. So we hand w do hand washing. Do you work with gloves all day long? When I'm going to deal with bodily fluids, yes. But the main thing that we do is hand washing. You wash your hands before you go in and take care of the patient. Anytime you touch anything in the room, you wash your hands after. That's why you'll see these little hand washing stations, or you'll see the little pumps that and we're washing our hands all the time. So so that's that's primary. They call that universal precautions. And then we will wear masks if there's uh any concern about droplets or and depending on the disease, there's airborne precautions, droplet precautions, contact precautions. But sometimes, like in the emergency room, a patient may come in and you don't know what they have.
Mirav Ozeri - HostRight.
SPEAKER_01So um many of the ER nurses and doctors, especially during the height of flu season, will just always wear a mask.
Mirav Ozeri - HostWe see a lot of movies where nurses or the it happened will put that usually it was male nurses and in England it was a female actually where they put poison in the IV or they put the wrong medication in the IV. Do you check nurses' behavior?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So um there's a lot of when nurses are hired, uh a lot of the directors and managers are, you know, looking out for behaviors and history. But I have uh actually precepted a nurse who um had a drug problem and it was discovered over time, right? So and her behaviors were odd, where you know she'd be gone for long periods of time after having done a medication pass. I remember another nurse telling a story where one woman she was just so addicted to narcotics that sh she came on her day off and just went up to the to steal medication. To steal medication, and she was just so out of it that you know she was caught right away. There are checks and balances. The pharmacy keeps track of all of the different narcotics and medications, and there's a certain count, and there's a way uh everything is locked. And we do we do look out, especially when you have somebody new who may have some questionable behavior. But the other thing is that nurses are under a lot of stress, and if they have addictive uh tendencies, we also want to help them. So there actually are groups out there to try to help nurses who may struggle with addiction and help them recover and help them get back on their feet.
Mirav Ozeri - HostDo you love your job by the way?
SPEAKER_01I love it. I love it. Yeah, it's I feel like it's I'm able to give all of myself. I enjoy going into those patient rooms and just being with them. I feel like everything else kind of goes away and I can just focus on that person and what their needs are, give all that I can. And that's the other reason why I love ICU nursing and OB because I do have that opportunity. Whereas uh often on a medical surgical floor or in the ER, I have to I would have to spread myself pretty thin.
Mirav Ozeri - HostDid you develop any kind of relationship with any patient that saw them or had contact with them beyond the hospital stay?
SPEAKER_01Yes.
Mirav Ozeri - HostYou do?
SPEAKER_01Yes, I have. Yeah. I don't do that too often because gosh, it would be, you know, I've been doing this for 20 years. It'd be I can't bond with everyone. Um but um I also do feel like, you know, um I'm on the timeline of their life for that moment, and um that's a treasure, and they give to me and I give to them. But then there are some that I've bonded with uh and still will maintain relationship. You know, certain certain women who have had their babies still will reach out to me and you know, send me pictures.
Mirav Ozeri - HostThat's a great compliment for you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's a delight. Yeah. I have a story now that I can that I'm remembering that was pretty neat. A woman came in uh for a scheduled C-section. It was her second baby. She walked in and I was like, You look like you're in labor. And she said, Yeah, I think last night I went into labor. There was really no reason for her not to go into natural labor. She could have uh what we call a V back where a vaginal um uh delivery after a C-section. So her first baby had been a C-section, and then now here she is in labor and she's in natural labor, and so I coordinated with uh the different providers, and we felt it was safe for her to go ahead and have vaginal delivery. She did.
Mirav Ozeri - HostWow.
SPEAKER_01And she was forever grateful for that. Um, yeah, and she wrote up uh something about that, and I ended up getting an award based on that. Yeah, yeah. It was very it was very that is so cool. But what it did is it when a woman has had a C-section and then she's able to have a vaginal delivery afterward, it kind of is a reset so that she would be able potentially if she wanted more children to continue to have vaginal deliveries. So she was just very excited and she had a beautiful little girl, and they were just super grateful.
Mirav Ozeri - HostWhat is the biggest reward of your job? Either ICU or OB?
SPEAKER_01For me, it's I am filled by giving to others. I just have grown to love people in in unique ways, and uh it's rewarding for me to give. That's the only way I can say it. I'm sure there's another way to say it, but I can't think of it right now.
Mirav Ozeri - HostGood for you. I mean, really, we need more people like you. With my experience with nurses at Northern Duchess, I just love them. They really were amazing.
SPEAKER_01And there is always a concern. So there was a time when I was doing ICU nursing, and I found myself starting to have a wall to a kind of um like just going through the motions and not being moved with compassion as much.
Mirav Ozeri - HostA little jaded.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. Nurses can get bitter, nurses can become resistive uh because you can get hurt over time, right? Of course. So I was realizing that I was heading in that direction, and that's also another reason why I switched over into OB. Okay. Because I felt like, you know what, I need to see something new, I need to experience something new, and that is the beauty of nursing. There's so many specialties, you can do anything. And if you're willing to learn something new, go for it.
Mirav Ozeri - HostAnd it's a profession, like we said before, there's so much shortage. For 20 years, I hear shortage of shortage of nurses. Yeah. So there's a job security right there.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, there's not a place in the world that doesn't need a nurse. You can go anywhere in the world. I have friends who were from the Philippines who came to the United States because there was the shortage, and um, they had also worked over, I think it was uh Saudi Arabia. They had worked, you know, in many different places. I've I've thought about, you know, you can do doctors without borders and go to different countries, and you can do community nursing in, you know, hard-to-reach nations. There's just so many areas that you can apply nursing, and I'm staying local in my community because I feel this is where I'm supposed to be. But you can have an adventure with nursing for sure.
Mirav Ozeri - HostAbsolutely. Wow, Jessica, thank you so much. That was so interesting, and good to know about nurses for anybody that ends up in the hospital. Remember, your nurse is like your angel. They were for me and they are angels. They really are. Thanks a million. That was so good.
SPEAKER_01Thank you. Thank you for keeping the opportunity to share.
Mirav Ozeri - HostAbsolutely. Fantastic. Okay, that's a wrap for today. If you have a comment or question or would like us to cover a certain job, please let us know. Visit our website at how much can I make that info. We would love to hear from you. And on your way out, don't forget to subscribe and share this episode with anyone who is curious about their next job. See you next time.